Names have been changed. The email exchange is real.
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Dear Ron,
I spent much of Saturday marching around lower Manhattan and shouting
things like "Banks got bailed out; we got sold out!". The primary result
of that action for me is the realization that, however much I support
Occupy Wall Street, these things are best left to people your son's age
(assuming that they are not anti-OWS, like my kids are!).
But what should be obvious to everybody is that, once the bad guys realize
the depth of support for OWS, they will resort to obfuscation, propaganda,
embedding hidden fees and hidden risks in deals, etc.

What is needed is an organization of financial professionals who will
stand against that. People who DON'T run banks, but who know about the
financial markets. People who are not complicit in the chicanery, but who
know what goes on. In other words, us.
Now neither of us have time to do this now, but, then again, it may not be
time yet. The mood of the country is STILL not ready for meaningful
financial reform, but perhaps it will be in a year or two. Kids out of
the house and time for something new?
Have a great day,
Fred
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Dear Fred,
Sounds like you've had an exciting weekend. I should introduce you to a friend of mine Jerome Berry who is out there marching as well.
My personal view is that the bulk of people working for financial firms are decent folks. They don't deserve the abuse my friend got because his job was to sell insurance for AIG. There are countless people busting their ass in operations, accounting, technology, customer service, etc. Yes they get paid more than the average Joe, but trying to live in NJ with 3 kids and paying the crazy taxes and outrageous home prices puts many back at the national average or below in terms of their standard of living. And now they will be asked to pay more in taxes because OWS people need to collect their unemployment check.
There is no shortage of greedy, corrupt, and overpaid executives, but in my view they are no different than say auto, oil, pharma, food, insurance, etc. executives - all of whom get some sort of government support. It's much more fashionable however to protest against Goldman than say Exxon or Archer Daniels Midland, who in my view do much more damage to an average American than Goldman ever did. Their lobby is also more powerful than that of most financial institutions. Nobody seems to be protesting that the greedy insurance industry got bailed out (guys like Hartford or MetLife) or the auto industry got rewarded for their incompetence. Many people don't even know they were part of TARP. GE got more support from the Fed than most financial institutions. And nobody seems to be protesting against the rating agencies - who are still doing their thing.
People want me to move my money from Chase to a community bank, but I saw how community banks put real estate developers on their board and funded their "local" development projects with depositor money - just to be bailed out by the FDIC. I am not defending the large banking organizations, but I'd just like to see some balance.
With regard to setting up an organization, the best way to start is to set up a LinkedIn group. It's free and you quickly get traction. Once the group gets big enough you set up an event or two and the momentum picks up. I'd be happy to help with this.
All the best,
Ron
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Dear Ron,
The nuanced views that you put forward in your email are precisely the
kind of thing that needs to be more prominent in the public discourse.
For example, I assume your friend Jerome is in finance (In fact, he may
have conducted the first interview that I ever had for a financial job!).
You would never know from the media or from OWS that there are many people
in finance who would agree with him.
While it is true that execs in other industries are just as greedy as Wall
Street execs, they have less of a baleful influence over the economy as a
whole. Our economy would not be in recession if it were not for the
massive contraction of credit that took place as the result of the
mortgage market going bust. If you have a job and most of the people you
know have jobs, it is easy to forget the widespread suffering that
recessions cause: divorces, bankruptcies, deteriorating health because of
inability to pay for good food, drugs, and medical care, and even
suicides.
Admittedly, there is plenty of blame to go around for this recession, as
was expressed so eloquently by the
attached column by Thomas Friedman.
Nevertheless, in the eyes of the law, “everybody’s doing it,” is not a
legitimate defense. Nor should it be.
As you well know, the big banks have plenty to answer for in creating the
current economic mess. In Friedman’s words, either “some of our country’s
best-paid bankers were overrated dopes who had no idea what they were
selling, or greedy cynics who did know and turned a blind eye.” Either
way, there was a massive failure in corporate governance.
There was also a massive failure in corporate governance at Enron, at
WorldComm, and at GM. But Enron, WorldComm, and GM all declared
bankruptcy, and there were significant management changes. Of the many
banks that were technically bankrupt, only Bear and Lehman (who both
happened to be competitors of Sec. Paulson’s old firm, Goldman Sachs) were
allowed to go under. The remaining banks are still managed by many of the
same people, people who have lost more money in the latest fiasco than all
banks have ever made in the entire history of banking.
Of course, the bankers had their enablers, the rating agencies, the big
accounting firms, government regulators, and the foolish people who bought
homes they couldn’t afford. I hold the rating agencies especially
accountable because they seem to have rated sub-prime mortgage backed
securities with models that they knew were flawed. Why? Because they
were being paid $250,000 for, at most, a man week’s worth of work. This
isn’t quite fraud, but it sure stinks!
Anyway, that’s why I’m part of OWS.
But I am certainly open to other people's point of view. My son Peter, for
example, agrees more with you than with me!
Regards,
Fred
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Dear Fred,
Thanks for the explanation. I am also very open-minded on this issue.
Here are a few points for further discussion.
1. I understand the suffering caused by the recession and the
contraction of credit. Personally I got hurt tremendously by this.
It's just not clear to me how the large financial institutions caused
the crisis. We had a real estate bubble with highly leveraged
homeowners who kept leveraging to the max, taking out home equity
(taking vacations) or mortgages they couldn't afford. Many were
flipping homes. Many were buying with the goal to refinance later and
take equity out. Just like the Dutch tulip bubble, this one burst
when people could no longer refinance. And everyone got hurt
including the large financial institutions.
2. Financial institutions failed not as much because of corporate
governance but because of the structure of their assets and
liabilities. They relied on short-term funding to finance their
illiquid assets (Bear, Lehman, Citi). This has been the case long
before the real estate bubble (some 30 years) and neither the Fed nor
the SEC or even the Basle Committee ever told them to do otherwise.
By the way, the MF Global default was due to the same problem. Their
European bond holdings were 1-3 years in maturity, while they financed
them overnight in the repo market. If they had locked in term
financing (match-funded) these investments, MF would still be OK.
3. With respect to not allowing large banks to fail, the decision was
approved by the US Congress. Neither the Bush administration nor the
Fed could have done this unilaterally. So our elective
representatives chose to inject capital into these firms - whether
they asked for it or not. The larger firms got funding from private
sources: Morgan Stanley from Mitsubishi, Goldman from Buffett, but the
government forced them to take the TARP money. I don't see how it's
their fault. Again, I am not defending them, just trying to
understand the logic here.
4. I agree these firms overpaid their people. And the people getting
paid the most were often the worst assholes and often quite incompetent. But
the last time I checked, overpaying people isn't against the law. If
I own a company and hire you at some ridiculous pay level, it's
nobody's business but mine and other shareholders'. The shareholders
of these firms didn't seem to complain as long as the companies were
profitable. Maybe they should get more active on this issue when they
elect their directors.
5. People running most of the large financial institutions have in
fact changed. Chuck Prince at Citi got replaced, John Mack at Morgan
Stanley is out, BofA/Merrill, UBS, etc. have all new management. GS,
JPM, CS were the healthier of the institutions (limited losses), so
their management remained.
My science background makes me a skeptic, but like I said I am quite
open-minded if I see good empirical evidence. I might be the next to
join OWS after all.
Enjoy your weekend downtown.
Ron
(to be continued)
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